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Wow, a thread that started so well and ended up going pear shaped. | 12/04/2012 22:08 |
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alien7 said: Can anyone confirm that the age where avg plateaus and the age where decline starts dont change? And that the slope of improvement (and decline) is what changes with training? the slope of improvement (and decline) is what changes with training - this is correct. the age where avg plateaus and the age where decline starts dont change? This is incorrect, this will change with training. Exceptionally good training will ensure the player reaches his plateau YOUNGER than he would have with normal training. |
12/04/2012 22:14 |
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Ricky_jcr said: Then in that case, Forecast does depend on motivation(which determines the rate of progress of a player, as ytm said) indirectly. Most people are under the misconception that forecast does NOT depend on motivation. Training depends on motivation, forecast depends on training, So forecast HAS to depend on motivation. Yes if you are being technically correct, it does but as you've stated - its indirect. |
12/04/2012 22:17 |
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@GunnerNic said: the age where avg plateaus and the age where decline starts dont change? This is incorrect, this will change with training. Exceptionally good training will ensure the player reaches his plateau YOUNGER than he would have with normal training. Wouldnt this imply that the peak (max avg) is fixed and training would only affect how soon the peak is acheived? I think this is contradicted by the fact that the peak (not just how soon the peak occurs) changes when a different % coach is used in the calculation. Or are there two reasons to plateau, one caused by reaching a certain age and one caused by maxing out the attribute being trained? |
13/04/2012 00:37 |
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alien7 said: @GunnerNic said: the age where avg plateaus and the age where decline starts dont change? This is incorrect, this will change with training. Exceptionally good training will ensure the player reaches his plateau YOUNGER than he would have with normal training. Wouldnt this imply that the peak (max avg) is fixed and training would only affect how soon the peak is acheived? I think this is contradicted by the fact that the peak (not just how soon the peak occurs) changes when a different % coach is used in the calculation. Or are there two reasons to plateau, one caused by reaching a certain age and one caused by maxing out the attribute being trained? Yes, there are 2 reasons to plateau and they have nothing to do with age or maxing out the attribute. I've seen 27 yr olds training very nicely and I've seen 99 finishing CF's continue to train other attributes. The progression of the player at birth gives rise to a certain "virgin" forecast curve, the top of which is your plateau. So this is your first plateau indicator. A progression player of 50% lets say will plateau at 65 average, a 88 progression player a plateau of 94 for example. This curve can only be changed by time and training, I say "time" specifically and not age, its important. Yes, he happens to age as time goes by but forget the age thing, its confusing, as I said I've seen 27 and 28yr olds training well. 1. Training (slowing down time) - 7 days a week for example on a certain position will cause the natural curve up to the plateau to steepen so he will naturally now get to his plateau younger than if training had been the normal 2 days a week lets say. Intensive training like this can also increase his plateau level but not to such an extent that the player is forced to be OLDER to get to it - he will still get there ahead of "AGE" schedule, witness the 94 av GK's - only 6 points away from maximum and 19 yrs of age: http://uk.strikermanager.com/inicio.php?accion=/jugador.php%3Fid_jugador%3D412867 Note: This can only be achieved by total commitment to single position training for a 14/15 yr old up to 19/20. This then will enable a manager to get players up to their maximum average (plateau) years before they would be normally age wise. 2. No Training (speeding up time) - If no training occurs in a particular season (flat green line), especially for players nearing the top of the curve, the curve MUST flatten to maintain its progression shape. So the plateau in this case will drop and drop very quickly, you can lose 5 average points on your plateau easily. Let me know if its still confusing, I'll try explain better  |
13/04/2012 08:04 |
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so tell me @gunner if i train a 14/15 year old 89fc player everyday will his fc raise or remain stable. i have heard that the fc raises 2 pts if you train the player properly. | 13/04/2012 08:46 |
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@GunnerNic said: Intensive training like this can also increase his plateau level As I said, it does raise the plateau (FC) with intensive training. |
13/04/2012 09:26 |
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alright. my RM & LM are going to love the thought. |
13/04/2012 09:27 |
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