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Is re-signing players with low salaries, just to keep them from being hostile claused an exploit?
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br0dy said: Your junior RDF....RF.....OM...When you at their history...draws a pattern of what appears to be the tactics your discussing ... Three players re-signed on the same day that i joined the game does not a pattern make. I can see how you may draw that conclusion when you see players that have indeed been re-signed, however there seems to be some missing context to your statement. For example, my start date in this game coincides directly with the dates of those three players being re-signed. You may also notice that all three of those players currently have 1 year left in their contracts, meaning i have to either re-sign them, or risk losing them for nothing at the end of the season. Here are a couple examples of what i'm talking about: http://uk.strikermanager.com/jugador.php?id_jugador=129963 http://uk.strikermanager.com/jugador.php?id_jugador=372928 The first player is 62/16, but his Hostile clause is only $2,759,800 and a salary of $1,400, well below market value. There are players who are a year older with 20 points less out on the market going for double that rate. The second player is 54/16 with a Hostile clause of $1,471,200 and a salary of $750, again, well below market value. Look at it from the perspective of the player: Sure, to us, he's just some bits on a hard drive, but if we use our imaginations, he's got to be pretty upset for being paid so little for having such talent. Maybe a solution to this whole thing is to introduce the concept of players taking a morale hit for not being paid a competitive wage. There could be a fairly large window based on the standard deviation of pay rates for similar type/skilled players. The game already kind of does that sort of thing when you go to re-sign/bid on a player and it tells you "the player requires a higher salary". They could just take it a step further and have a real impact on the game by affecting players attitudes when they are being so severely under paid. The trick then becomes finding that happy medium where players are being kept happy, while at the same time protecting the teams interests. |
04/08/2011 02:32 |
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It's not an exploit because it is that way by design. I reject the assumption made in the question. Assumption = poor design allowed for this feature to be exploited. Edited by rebsiot 04-08-2011 02:53 |
04/08/2011 02:52 |
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guys... you are talking about 14-16 year old kids... Where in the world you have 14 year old kids playing football and making $2000-$3000 a week? So maybe they are good, but come on, get real! In US, minor league players make anywhere from $40,000 to about $70,000... so, if someone here is paying $750 a week to a 15 year old kid that makes it $39000 a year.. Do I need to go any further? |
04/08/2011 03:01 |
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^^^^ He explained it. |
04/08/2011 03:02 |
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In US pro sports you don't make any really good money until after you graduate from college (about 22 y.o). The only exceptions are if you are drafted in to the pro team after school (18 y.o.). They are Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnet, Sidney Crosby, LeBron James... - they are all super stars! As for football players... Wayne Rooney signed his first professional contract in 2003 - he was 18 years old. So, if I understand correctly, are you suggesting to give pro contracts to players who are not even out of high school yet? |
04/08/2011 05:02 |
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Romasik2000 said: In US pro sports you don't make any really good money until after you graduate from college (about 22 y.o). The only exceptions are if you are drafted in to the pro team after school (18 y.o.). They are Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnet, Sidney Crosby, LeBron James... - they are all super stars! As for football players... Wayne Rooney signed his first professional contract in 2003 - he was 18 years old. So, if I understand correctly, are you suggesting to give pro contracts to players who are not even out of high school yet? Your argument brings up a very valid point. It seems rather easy to get players all the way to their peaks very early on in this game as compared to the real world which pretty much renders the whole contract point nearly moot. In the real world, it is very rare to see a player ready to go professional by the time they are 16, much less 18. I think this game does try to simulate that with the Promotion system that is currently in place, but it still seems a little bit easy to get a player up to the skill level needed to begin a professional career. Perhaps this whole problem relates to the player "learning curve" and the overly simplistic training system? That does diverge from the original question, but is still quite related none the less, and certainly bears discussion. I wonder, do the devs spend much time trolling through this forum, and if so, care to give their thoughts on these topics? |
04/08/2011 05:28 |
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In US pro sports you're not allowed to sign anyone until they graduate college, so that's why you "don't make any really good money". If teams could give money to players before they leave high school, they definitely would. Striker manager can't make a draft for young players, so they have schools. If you think all young players should only get paid a small amount, then why allow any buyouts of youth players at all? If you think youth players should be paid what they're worth (like senior players), then don't allow buyouts. If you think a team should be able to protect its best prospects, then allow them to do that if they pay them fairly. I think the issue is that you have to pay your senior players fairly, but you don't have to pay your junior players fairly. Doesn't seem logical to me. |
04/08/2011 05:45 |
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Juniors are never paid fairly. Anywhere. At anything. |
04/08/2011 05:47 |
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dominatord said: In US pro sports you're not allowed to sign anyone until they graduate college, so that's why you "don't make any really good money". Only true for football. Basketball - Lebron James went straight from high school Baseball - Kids sign right out of high school (only a couple make really good money, but they are headed for bigs) (A-Rod) Hockey - Jeff Skinner (Carolina) Soccer - Freddy Adu (signed at 14!?!) So, that is so not true. |
04/08/2011 06:33 |
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rebsiot said: Basketball - Lebron James went straight from high school Baseball - Kids sign right out of high school (only a couple make really good money, but they are headed for bigs) (A-Rod) Hockey - Jeff Skinner (Carolina) Soccer - Freddy Adu (signed at 14!?!) I think the players cited are the rare exception. They are the extremely rare few that exhibit extreme raw talent and skill that should go on to be paid very well for what they are able to achieve. We can only hope that these few players are truly exceptional talents (High Forecast) and not just early shooting stars that fade out early (High Progression, but Low Forecast). Since we know that extremely talented young players (Av 75+) do get paid well for their talents as soon as they are allowed by their chosen sport, and are not held back by their managers using restrictive league mechanics, how does that translate here, and does that also apply for your more average players (Av 40-60)? |
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